APPENDIX 3

Hanover & Tarner Liveable Neighbourhood

Elm Grove/Queen’s Park Road/Egremont Place boundary roads engagement feedback summary

February 2023

Location	Session 1 Online	Session 2 – St Luke’s School	Session 3 - Online	Session 4 – Elm Grove School
Elm Grove	Elm Grove has puffin – there is illegal parking with no enforcement – could there be a build out in front of school to prevent fly parking/school drop off?			Pavement parking at school drop off is a danger. Can police enforce this?
	Why are different types of crossing proposed?
	Elm Grove traffic speed restrictions – Vehicle Activated Sign (VAS) indicators are really important as vehicle speed is a problem
				Close Arnold Street. Make Bonchurch one way.
				We live on Luther Street – love the greening on Luther/EG corner You may need a loading bay where the cycle hangar is planned to stop congestion for Flour Pot.
	No safe cycle routes in scheme, so speed reduction is key.	Measures for cyclists – priority lights, cycle lanes, cyclist alert signs		More cycle hangars. Need additional cycle provision for cyclists Make cycle hangars ‘greener’/ more attractive
	Could section beyond Tenantry Down Road be reduced to 30 mph? This increases speeding on Elm Grove			Introduce a physical barrier/narrowing at the top of Elm Grove to stop fast cars from Warren Road
				Good – planting, banning pavement parking, slowing traffic
				Displaced parking and non enforcement – a full CPZ is vital Need to expand parking zones – not enough V at the top of elm grove. Should be S at top triangle If parking paces are lost parking permit numbers need to reduce too Concern about sufficient parking on Elm Grove Maybe half and half chicane per block
	Could there be speed cameras on Elm Grove?			Elm Grove – why not speed camera?
				Like the full greening and more trees. Tall wildflowers and shrubs (Elm Grove)
				More benches on Elm Grove
				Remove unused bike racks on Elm Grove
	Lots of guard rail on Elm Grove – quite harsh
				Need to flatten out tree roots for access for disabled
QPR/Elm Grove junction		Worried about this junction as much more traffic will be directed to this area.	Live close to EG/QPR junction – lots of accidents and near risks – will this make it worse?	Improve safety here asap – quick fix improve road markings & sign in wrong place
Queen’s Park Road		How will you increase or keep the same number of parking spaces on QPR half way up?	Not enough room for trees on the pavement – narrow bin obstruction. On-street trees reduces parking – lots of spaces lost to other schemes and bike parking in zone S. Can we have stats on parking demand and bay reduction?	Resident bays are long spans with varying capacity. Consider defined bays with EV charging points/build outs at each end stopping them encroaching on pavement. The large motorcycle bay on QPR near Richmond St could include a car space or tree space – poorly used currently
		QPR (Elm Grove to Pankhurst – plant trees on the embankment rather than the road. No loss of parking and deeper root stock
		I welcome more street trees – even if it takes out parking spaces
		We need to look at ways of enforcing 20mph on QPR rather than simply calming traffic. We need to keep it obstacle-free but there are still people who drive very fast without repercussion	How does adding central hatching etc reduce speed?
				Streets are blocked by wheelie bins – dangerous and not suitable for QPR. More regular rubbish collections and communal bins.
				Junction of Southover Street & QPR has had no consideration despite being busiest junction
			Pollution is a problem as cars will keep engines running on QPR as people go to nursery/pharmacy. Pollution is a problem and greening would be great
			Why no zebras on QPR?	Experiment with French style regular zebras all along QPR rather than more islands
	Potential for issues around refuges at road junctions/corners. Sussex St/Richmond St end. Residents parking on west side. People park at the end of residents parking bay rows – if a refuge is there parking either blocks road or parks on pavement. Refuges need bollards to prevent parking on them.	Junction of Richmond St/QPR dangerous because of parked cars causing poor visibility for traffic emerging from Richmond St. Need enforcement of 20mph limit		Can the south bound bus stop be moved further up the road?
	Top of Islingword Road – build out proposal. Drays need to get to constant service and islingword pub – build outs and island may be too tight.			New traffic island on QPR near Islingword – cars can currently pass busses – an island would prevent this and cause queues. The post office requires vehicles to park outside for cash delivery.
	Tree planting outside Pepperpot would reduce visibility of local landmark			Is the taxi rank needed on QP Terrace/QPR junction. Space here for cycle hangar/bike share instead of Pepperpot lawn
	St Luke’s Terrace ped refuge – don’t want beeping puffins but a zebra might be good.
			Why no trees shown on QPR between Downs Terr and Pepperpot	Yes to trees south of Islingword. Trees instead of bins
Egremont Place	Crossing at top of Egremont place – feels quite dangerous even though there is an island because of poor visibility on bend.  This could be a priority area for improved crossing?		Crossing at QPR/Egremont. Getting off bus at QPR and crossing a problem – can’t see round the corner. Slowing traffic is v important and safer crossing for pedestrians is needed here.	Junction refuge at Egremont Rd is really dangerous – first cars come from both directions and pedestrian views are obscured. Need lights?
	Egremont Gate – could all 4 directions be crossed at once with 4 way controls? Like Oxford Circus – cross any direction & all direction stopping?
	Egremont Place – the majority of residents discussion on Whatsapp has been Egremont place and concern about extra traffic. Too narrow for buses to pass & parked cars get damaged. Coal holes beneath pavement are also being damaged. Could buses be re-routed to Mount Pleasant /Freshfield Road? Could traffic lights be put at the top of Egremont – create a ped crossing? One way entry in/out of West Drive?	Make Egremont Place single flow by introducing lights on QPR Reroute some buses into Freshfield Road Reroute bus number 23 along Freshfield Rd and Queen’s Park Terrace		Egremont Place west side needs a cycle lane for cyclists climbing uphill. Ideally separated and would need all parking to be removed. Need seating for people walking
		Displace car traffic from Egremont Place with a bus gate and requiring cars to use Freshfield/Mount Pleasant.		Upper Park Place is one way north and could see traffic displaced from Egremont making this junction even busier
Area wide			Are pollution levels being monitored?
			Worried about increase in traffic – would like to see traffic reduction on boundary roads built in to the scheme targets and success criteria	Need more car share schemes and EV points
		What is needed is behaviour change to reduce people owning cars – that would reduce traffic, not just slow it down		Blues & Two’s needs challenging – we don’t have an ambulance station on Elm Grove anymore so could we have humps?
		QPR/Elm Grove proposals sound good, but very important to reduce speeds.
		Pavement surfaces terrible in whole area – a real issue for accesibility
		Accessible bus stops essential
		Street furniture and surfaces – pavement surfaces poor and present trip hazard. Need benches placed on hills
		More measures to encourage walking – street lights, handrails, community spaces		There is no mention of cycle lanes on QPR or Elm Grove and there should be
		Can we look at using moss instead of trees it is more immediate, takes less space, needs less maintenance and you don’t get bird droppings with it.